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Leon Panetta on Susie Wiles and serving as the president's chief of staff

By Steve Inskeep
Published December 17, 2025 at 2:51 AM MST

NPR's Steve Inskeep speaks with Leon Panetta, who served as White House chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, about Susie Wiles and her approach to the role in the Trump administration.

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Steve Inskeep
Steve Inskeep is a host of NPR's Morning Edition, as well as NPR's morning news podcast Up First.
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