Acting BLM director William Perry Pendley calls himself a "sagebrush rebel" and according to audio obtained by High Country News, his own staff question whether he has the moral courage to lead under President Trump and Interior Secretary David Bernhardt. High Country News reporter Nick Bowlin talks with KDNK's Gavin Dahl about upheaval among the career staff at BLM, consolidation of policymaking power, and the future of public lands management.