Since the killing of George Floyd on May 25th, protests across the nation have spurred conversations about police brutality. Minneapolis may dismantle the police department, and the mayor of Los Angeles is canceling planned budget increases for that city’s department. But, policing looks different in small, rural communities. KDNK's Kathleen Shannon spoke with Carbondale Police Chief Gene Schilling and his soon-to-be replacement Lieutenant Kirk Wilson about the town's police department - it's past and future. Here's the 2-part conversation.